Joel Rosenberg – War Games: Iran, Russia, China, Syria

A friend forwarded me the information below which Joel Rosenberg posted on his Flash Traffic blog. I had read either last year or the year before on Yahoo Finance that China was starting to build its military forces and that they have many barges filled with mineral resources [coal/copper/etc] sitting at docks all around their coastline. They are also accumulating gold, large diamonds, and water. What is also interesting to me is that some translations of the Old Testament [Covenant/the Hebrew Tanakh] say “Gog” in verses like Yechezk’el [Ezekiel] 38:18 while an Aramaic translation I like says “China” [Holy Bible from the Ancient Eastern Text – George Lamsa]. One possibility could be that Gog and Magog were ancient tribes of modern China. If anyone who reads this has any research they would to share with me, please send a comment and attach links. I found more stories [links below] that add to what Rosenberg posted. One is from a person with a military background who pointed out China’s presence in Mexico and Canada and showed the tactical advantage for an invasion of the USA.

Looking at Z’kharyah [Zechariah] 14, the return of the MESSIAH [CHRIST] happens when Jerusalem is surrounded by an army of all nations and the city taken, then it continues with what the MESSIAH will be doing afterwards. Another item of interest to me is that the color red and the symbol of the dragon are the beast’s in Revelation and both “red and the dragon” are China’s as well. The USA is owned by China as they hold the majority of our debt and have already tried to push the USA government into doing their will to protect their investment during the big financial downturn of 2008/2009.

While some may not agree with me on this, I feel from my research that the USA is Babylon of the acharit hayamim which is Hebrew for the end of the days/the end times [we fit the profile of the harlot in Revelation 18]. It could be very important to keep tabs on the events coming up with the USA and its financial system keeping in mind the prophecies from the Old Covenant. Read Yesha’yahu [Isaiah] through Mal’akhi [Malachi] and also Tehillim [Psalms – remember that David was a prophet too] and the New Covenant. I have found that both the Old and the New Covenants fit together like pieces of a puzzle that show a bigger picture. Go to our FATHER in Heaven in prayer and ask HIM to open your eyes to the truth of what you are reading and to the truth of what needs to be worked on with your relationship with HIM/HIS SON/SPIRIT.

In Revelation 15:3 it talks about how the people with the harps on the sea of glass, the ones who overcame the beast and his image and his mark and the number of his name, how they sing the song of Moshe [Moses] and the song of the LAMB. Also read Revelation 14:12 and Yochanan [John] 5:46-47. I believe that the verses are clear that it takes both the Torah [the first 5 books of the Bible] and the Gospel together to defeat the beast. I spoke with someone yesterday, who told me that the Jews [who know the Torah intimately] are blind to their MESSIAH who is hidden in the Old Covenant/Tanakh and revealed in the Gospel while the MESSIAH’S people [who know the Gospel] are blind to HIM in the Torah and the Tanakh. Both have part of the puzzle and need to come together for the whole picture. For the Gospel believers remember that the MESSIAH said HE came to fulfill the law and not to do away with it – Mattityahu [Matthew] 5:17-20. He was the perfect sacrificial LAMB of ELOHIM [Hebrew for GOD and who I believe is FATHER/SON/SPIRIT] because all of the animal sacrifices of HIS people were not enough to cleanse their sins. He fulfilled the animal sacrifice part of the law but did not do away with the commands, HE simplified them and taught the truth of them. Yochanan [John] 3:36, “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; and he who does not OBEY the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Elohim remains on him.”.

OBEY is the key word. It is not enough to just believe in the SON we must OBEY HIM to see life otherwise ELOHIM’S wrath is still on us. It says in Scripture that if you disobey one of the commands, to ELOHIM it was the same as if you were disobeying them all. Get to know the MESSIAH and what brings joy to HIS Heart. HE said if you loved HIM you would keep HIS commands. Pray for an understanding and research what was done away with and what was not done away with, from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant. Start with the Gospels, Galatians 5:19-26, Sh’mot [Exodus] 20:1-17, Romans 1:18-32, and Revelation 22:15. Remember, the MESSIAH’S three Commands simplified the ten from HIS FATHER and did not do away with them. Take a look at the 10 Commandments and ask yourself this question, if they had been done away with then is it now ok to worship another elohim, murder, steal, commit adultery, etc.?

[links to additional writings of interest]:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/best-pals-pact-puts-wind-up-the-world-20110523-1f0qc.html

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MJ26Df03.html

http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com

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RUSSIA, IRAN, SYRIA, CHINA TO HOLD MASSIVE WAR GAMES IN MIDDLE EAST: ECHOES OF BIBLE PROPHECY?

Joel C. Rosenberg

(Virginia Beach, June 19, 2012)

“Iran, Russia, China and Syria will hold the Middle East’s largest ever war game, Iranian news outlets reported quoting unnamed sources,” reports the Jerusalem Post. “According to the report, 90,000 troops, 400 warplanes and 1,000 tanks from the four countries will take part in land and sea exercises. The war games will feature Russian atomic submarines, according to Iranian media, as well as warships, aircraft carriers and mine-clearing destroyers. Semi-official Iranian FARS news agency stated that the exercise was being planned in coordination with Egypt, which recently acceded to grant the passage of 12 Chinese warships through the Suez Canal. The report stated that the Chinese naval convoy is due to dock in Syrian harbors within the next two weeks. Regarding the timing of the planned exercise, FARS quoted unnamed Syrian officials as saying the war game would be held ‘soon’….”

The story is particularly intriguing — and disturbing — in light of Bible prophecies in Ezekiel 38-39 that indicate a Russian-Iranian military alliance will develop in the “last days” to attack the nation of Israel. In my first non-fiction book, Epicenter, and in my novel, The Ezekiel Option, I describe these prophecies in detail. While it remains too early to know for certain if the “War of Gog and Magog” prophecies are going to be fulfilled in the near future, geopolitical trends in recent years and even in recent months have been curiously consistent with the ancient Biblical text. A militaristic Czar — Vladimir Putin — has risen to power in Russia. Putin is the only Russian leader in history to visit Israel (7 years ago), and is preparing to visit again on June 25, trying to make the Israelis feel comfortable with him. Yet Russia has been selling billions of dollars in arms to Iran and other nations described in the prophecies. Russia is currently sending naval ships and forces to Syria. Israelis are living more securely in the land, and are more prosperous, than ever in their modern history, also consistent with the prophecies. To learn more about the prophecies of Ezekiel 38-39, please click here.

One thing we need to keep in mind as Americans, especially now, is that according to Bible prophecy, Israel — not the United States — is the epicenter of God’s plan and purpose for the last days of history leading up to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Israel is the central player in end times prophecy. America is not mentioned or even clearly alluded to in prophecy. As I write about in Implosion, the dramatic rebirth of the State of Israel in 1948 gives us proof that we are living in the last days, when seen in the context of other Old Testament and New Testament prophecies about the signs of the last days. The question is: what happens to America going forward that neutralizes or sidelines us from being a major, central player in God’s plans? I walk through a number of scenarios in the book, but none of them are that good. It is possible that the Lord is preparing to remove His hand of grace and favor from the U.S. because of our sins and allow us to decline, collapse or implode. We don’t know for certain because the Scriptures don’t say. But I believe we need to turn our hearts back to the Lord and implore Him have mercy on us according to 2 Chronicles 7:14, “If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sins, and will heal their land.”

This next posting is from a link that has not been working correctly – thankfully our ABBA [FATHER] in Heaven allowed me to get this piece copied because it is important!

Re: 100,000 chinese troops now in mexico and canada to invade usa, for the UN

Analysis Of Current Us Situation Regarding The North American Union And The Chinese

March 21, 2011
Roman de Caesar

Steve,

My name is Roman de Caesar, and we have never met. If you would, before I begin to provide you with the content for my email to you today, I’d like to take a paragraph or two to explain who I am, what I have done, etc.

Today, I am an expert in the field of business analytics and intelligence, or “BI”, short for “Business Intelligence.” In the business world, BI is also known and Enterprise Financial & Performance Management, aka, “EFM” or “EPM.” The “art and the science” is basically what we used call back in the 1960’s and 1970’s “Decision Support”, or “DSS”, which stands for “Decision Support Systems.” I was educated in university as well as trained by the US Military to perform this role from a functional, managerial, operational and technical perspective. Basically, persons like myself make software, solutions and systems available to decision makers in order for them to not only “see the future first” but “create the future first” so that their organizations, whether it be businesses or governments can make decisions that are either “profitable” or “strategically effective”, respectfully speaking.

I’m also the on U.S. born, American citizen to have served honorable in each of the three branches and four services of the U.S. military. To explain the circumstances and situations that caused that to happen would take literally days, perhaps weeks to explain. Suffice it to say that, from an Army perspective, I was trained as a Cavalry Scout (MOS: 19D), and was also trained by Special Forces units as it pertained not only to my Scout role, but also to my role as an officer candidate and flight officer. I’m an accomplished pilot, having begin my training in gliders at age 14, and began flying powered, fixed wing complex aircraft at age 16. I obtained my private pilots license at 18, and continued my training from there. Now, I work as a consultant, and like most Americans, I am struggling to not only make ends meat but to also understand what the hell has gone wrong and what the hell is going on. For example, “secret Chinese military bases in Mexico.”

Several days ago, I came across rumors, news, information and video regarding the claim of Chinese bases in Mexico and Canada. I was intrigued, and investigated, and then sent you and the writers of < [link to Info] Wars.com>Info Wars.com my data, information and thoughts regarding what I had also found approximately 60 miles to 70 miles south, southwest of Laredo, Texas.

Since then, I used yesterday to perform some strategic evaluations of the hypothesis, “what if the rumors are true in Mexico”, and “what if my guess that the Canadian base is at Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. At this point, let me tell you that I have been to Alberta, Canada many times in my life, and most recently in 2005. I am very familiar with this province, having lived their for several months on several different occasions.

In 1984, I was at university, and my Army instructor, Major Dwayne Crowson (Ft. Hood last known assignment, and probably retired now), had asked his students to come with possible scenarios of an invasion of the United States of America, as well as how to defend and repell invaders using conventional weapons as well as tactical nuclear weapons, including armor, air and artillery.

Now, I cannot remember what I did for the project: and my papers are stored and I don’t have access to them, but the remembrance of that exercise as well as the rumors I have heard lately got me thinking about one thing and one thing only: getting back to basics Major Crowson was an excellent instructor, and getting back to basics was a major theme of his instructional repertoire. And, throughout the years, I took his teaching and created a personal motto, mantra and philosophy that I call:

“Genius through creative simplicity.”

I’ve used this philosophy in business as well as when I was in the military to solve both simple and complex problems, but the key in using the philosophy was to achieve maximum results with little or no effort from my force’s side, but also using the adopted strategy as the case, circumstances or situation might be, to case the “enemy” to use as much of their resources as possible while gaining very little or any advantage. NOTE: I never went to the War College, and I can well imagine that there is something taught at the War College which is very similar to my own doctrine.

Now, please let me continue.

Hypothesis: assuming that Laredo, Texas would be the entrance used by invading forces from the south, and assuming that my guess that the northern base camp is near Lethbridge, it is plausible to conceive a line drawn on a map from Laredo to Lethbridge for the purpose of determining not only if the hypothesis is right, but how easily an invasion from the south and the north could be achieved. Aspects to consider would be weather, topography, population centers, resource centers, natural resource supply and the defense of the line of battle, whether talking one or two fronts.

Interestingly enough, if you draw a line from Laredo, Texas to Lethbridge, Alberta, you intersect the only major MSA-1 city in the Central Time zone in the USA: Denver, Colorado, which is almost dead center between Laredo and Lethbridge.

Interestingly enough, the weather along this line is typically very stable, even though it is leeward of the Rocky Mountains, and the weather is stable or rather predictable throughout each season of the year, winter, spring, summer and fall.

Interestingly enough, the topography of this imaginary “line of battle” is excellent not only in terms of terrain, covering terrain and defense, but also there exists today the Eisenhower Interstate Road System, and the there is extensive infrastructure and interstate road system leading up and down this “line of battle” as well as supporting state and local road routes. Further, the number of bridges along this route or “line of battle” are small, and the bridges, themselves are physically small, meaning that they could be maintained or repaired easily, or new construction could take place quickly to support heavier loads.

Interestingly enough, the population center along this “line of battle” are small. The population density is small also, in comparison to other parts of the USA. And, the only MSA-1 city in this “zone” is Denver, Colorado. Why is this so important? Evidence suggests that major underground construction of bunkers are taking place in around the Denver Airport, much of which is not observable by the general public. Further, many of the “elitists” have purchased vast estates and properties in and around this area, as well as along the “line of battle.” Further, additional land that is currently vacant in this areas could be easily and quickly developed into, lets say, military bases, or concentration camps.

Interestingly enough, resource centers as well as natural resources in this area are quite abundant, and although not heavily used at the moment, could be tapped very easily and very quickly. Further, in terms of food supplies, east of the zone, occupiers of the “line of battle” face the bread basket of America: the vast mid-west plains, of which many of the agricultural facilities are controlled by neo-con friendly corporations.

Interestingly enough, from a land and air perspective, this “line of battle” is easily defended. The land here resembles to a larger degree the mountains and valleys of Afghanistan. Albeit, not Afghanistan in totality, the plains leading up to the Rocky Mountains as well as the Mountains themselves are quite sufficient to deter an aggressor from the West or the East using conventional weaponry.

By the way, this “line of battle” also runs straight through Calgary, Alberta, Canada, which one could consider as being an MSA-1 city, comparable to Denver, Colorado. BTW: almost 35% of the city of Calgary’s population is Chinese or of Asian descent.

But now, let me give you another thought: one which is even “crazier” than the one I’ve just shared.

Get a map of the USA, Mexico and Canada, preferably a large, UniversalMAP Company book, and go to the second to last page where it shows the USA and parts of Mexico and Canada, also shows the time and the distance along interstate routes from each MSA-1 or MSA-2 city.

FIRST: draw a line from
Laredo to San Antonio, then from
San Antonio to Midland, TX, then from
Midland to Amarillo, TX, then from
Amarillo to Pueblo, CO, then from
Pueblo to Denver, then from
Denver to Cheyenne, WY, then from
Cheyenne to Sheridan, WY, then from
Sheridan to Billings, MT, then from
Billings to Helena, MT, then from
Helena to Calgary, Alberta.

SECOND: draw a line from
San Antonio to Dallas, TX, then from
Dallas to Springfield, MO, then from
Springfield, to St. Louis, MO, then from
St. Louis to Chicago, IL, then from
Chicago to Milwaukee, WI, then from
Milwaukee to Sault St. Marie, Canada

THIRD: draw a line from
Calgary, Alberta to Regina, Saskatchewan, then from
Regina to Winnipeg, Manitoba, then from
Winnipeg to Kenora, Ontario, then from
Kenora to Thunder Bay, then from
Thunder Bay to Sault St. Marie

Do you see the area inside this upside down triangle? What can you tell me about this area? Well, I know a couple of things that I would like to share with you.

First, the “FIRST” line is the “line of battle” I spoke of previously.
Second, the “SECOND” line is the proposed route of the NAU super highway between Mexico, through the USA and then on to Canada (may not be exact, but it is very, very close).
Third, the Canadian Route 1 from Calgary to Sault St. Marie has along it various Canadian military installations, which are also used by British Armored, Air and Ground forces for training.
Fourth, the upside down triangle covers the area of land where most of our natural gas and oil reserves reside in the lower 48 continental USA, as well as the agricultural center of our country.

What am I trying to say? I believe this “triangle” is the collateral that we just gave the Chinese to cover our national indebtedness to the Chinese. Or, in other words, when the USA defaults, we default this land and its resources, including its people to the Chinese, lock, stock and barrel.

What about the land west of the Rockies? Quite possibly, returned to Mexico with conditions. And, why not? Most of the land west of the Rockies were held by the Mexicans hundreds of years ago. One of La Raza’s aims is to retake this land for “their race.”

What about the land east of the Mississippi? Quite possibly, retained as the new “United States.” Notice, not the “United States of America” but the “United States.

What about the North American Union? Comprised of Mexico (including La Raza land), the United States (east of the Mississippi) and Canada.

What about the “Triangle?” Perhaps home to the World Community: perhaps the new center of the world, where the United Nations will set up shop with the CFR and the TLC. Capital? Denver, Colorado.

And, the Capital of the NAU: Atlanta, Georgia, because the capital of the US will remain in Washington D.C.

But enough speculation about national boundaries. What I want to emphasize is that if Chinese troops are in Mexico and Canada at this time, and if Saudi Arabian Air Force pilots are going to be stationed in Idaho permanently as the DOD as indicated (Aljazeera Report from March 19, 2011), then basically, the pieces of the chess board are being put into to place as we speak.

And the wealth of the USA…the wealth of the plain states where we know our energy, agricultural and mineral wealth is located but untapped, will become the property of the Chinese and NAU.

If we find that, in fact there are foreign troops in Mexico and Canada, and that they are very close to the USA border, for me, it doesn’t matter if they are Chinese or not. Something has to be done. I don’t know if that means formally organizing the US Militia and the State Militia’s, but right now, if any foreign force wanted to just waltz into the USA from Lethbridge and Laredo, we would not be able to stop them, because the Soetoro Administration would order a stand down, and the NorthCom would be ordered to put down any civil unrest.

In conclusion, I’d appreciate your thoughts and feedback regarding what I have put forth. Perhaps it is nothing new to you. Perhaps it is. In any event, shouldn’t like minds come together now, before it is too late? Shouldn’t we convene a Continental Congress ASAP?

I am respectfully yours,

Roman de Caesar

FROM sq’S SITE…

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1400951/pg15?viewallpages=1

 

Chavez purchase of $15 billion in weapons causes concern

By Antonio Maria Delgado
McClatchy Newspapers

MIAMI – With the acquisition of hundreds of tanks, helicopters and bulletproof vehicles as well as submarines and missile networks, Venezuela is arming itself at a speed unprecedented in the history of the South American country. Experts consulted by El Nuevo Herald have said that Hugo Chavez’s has created unrest in the region with purchases to expand its military that total more than $15 billion. The analysts warned that the purchases are made in an improvised fashion, following a “dubious” process with no bidding or prior studies, which could lead the country to acquire a Russian technology difficult to adopt and rejected by segments of the National Armed Forces. The funds Chavez is using for the purchase of these new weapons, the largest in the nation’s history, are in good part coming from loans. “There have been important acquisitions in the country but never of such magnitude,” said Carlos Julio Penaloza, former chief of the Unified Command of Venezuela’s Armed Forces. And it could end up being a lot more than $15 billion. Some analysts said that the purchases made so far add up to about $30 billion, a figure Chavez himself has said he wishes to spend to modernize the country’s armed forces. A report by the Association for Citizen Control for the Security and Defense of the Nation, a Venezuelan NGO that follows this issue closely, says the country has received or is about to receive a long list of equipment and military installations supplied mostly by Russia, China and Spain. The list includes 92 mid-size T-72B1V tanks, about 240 bulletproof infantry vehicles (BMP-3 and 8×8 BTR-80), nine submarines, nearly 50 vessels of different sizes, dozens of Sukhoi Su-30MK2 fighting airplanes, an undetermined number of Chinese J-10 fighter airplanes, and close to a hundred Russian helicopters, a good part of which were designed for combat operations. The information also includes S-300 anti-airstrike missile systems, known by NATO as SA-20 Gargoyle, capable of following 100 objectives at the same time, including cruise missiles, while trying to down six of them simultaneously from a distance of 125 miles. Venezuela has also obtained commitments to build weapon plants in the country, including a powder factory with Iran’s help, a plant to build AK-103/AK-104 assault rifles and a plant to build 7.6 by 39 mm ammunition. Chavez has also acquired about 100,000 AK-103/AK-104 assault rifles, and 5,000 high-precision Dragunov SDVS rifles for snipers, besides 1,000 portable RPG-7V2 anti-tank rocket launchers, plus another 1,000 portable anti-air Igla-S missile launchers. The latter ones, of similar characteristics as the U.S. Stinger, have generated unrest within the U.S State Department, which fears that some might end up in the hands of Colombian guerrillas with devastating results against the helicopters their neighbor country uses to fight rebel forces. Washington has watched closely the purchases Venezuela has made in recent years. State Department officials have expressed concerns to their Russian counterparts about the massive sales of weapons to the South American country. Michael Shifter, president of Inter-American Dialogue, a think-tank based in Washington, said the lack of transparency in the acquisition of weapons in Latin America is a preoccupying issue, but that Venezuela’s purchases, combined with Chavez’s inflammatory rhetoric, could prompt other countries to arm themselves. Shifter said part of the purchases could be justified by the need to modernize the country’s armed forces, but the absence of clarity about the equipments and the purpose for which they are being obtained creates nervousness in the region. “The problem is Chavez’s belligerent rhetoric,” Shifter said. “This creates more concern and anxiety about the purpose of these weapons and their intended use.”

Chinese Troops Seen in Mexico
Written by Charles Camping   http://coupmedia.org/terror-threats/chinese-troops-seen-in-mexico-1703
Wednesday, 16 March 2011 19:09

Rumors have begun to circulate around the internet this week regarding various sources having seen Chinese Troops and military bases set up just north and south of the US border.  The simple logic of such a situation defies the sane mind.  “If this were true, the United States Government would have to be either directly involved, or completely failed in terms of intelligence.  Either of which could actually be a possibility in this day and age.  The real concern surrounding this issue is how such a story could be perceived by the National Security and Affairs Department.

The internet has been a great evolution in the enlightenment of the world’s population for the sharing and opening of previously esoteric information.

Some of the websites actually tell of eye witness accounts, all of which have yet to be proven or at least validated.  No coordinates have been provided as of yet.  The story continues to develop.  Coup Media has not received any validating information from its sources to support that any of these accounts of chinese troops and armored vehicles in Mexico or Canada might be valid.

DHS ordered 450 million hollow point bullets

One account states:

A very worried trucker, spent time in relating to me his account of delivering a tractor trailer load of food to a Chinese military camp 60 miles south of Laredo, Texas. When I questioned him this is what he stated.

The camp is 2 miles wide by 3 miles long. There are 10,000 armored vehicles. It blew my mind! I asked him how he calculated the number of armored vehicles and he said he had time to physically count the rows of armored vehicles as the Chinese soldiers unloaded his trailer.

He further stated that each armored vehicle could hold between 8-10 men. He went on to relate that he was escorted into Mexico from Texas by Mexican Federal Police so that the truck wouldn’t be hijacked by bandits. He stated that living quarters were shipping containers modified to accommodate the soldiers and were positioned neatly in rows. Water tanks, generators and communications complex, a full military base was operational and in place.

It should be obvious that this contingency of Mexican pre-positioned Chinese troops and the Chinese troops pre-positioned in Canada are ready to roll North and South when given the command to do so. Under the UN Security Council mandates it doesn’t take much to analyze their purpose.

One source did mention that the Mexican government could have enlisted the help of the Chinese military to assist in the crackdown on drug and gang violence in Mexico.  But this reality is a real stretch of the imagination.  If anyone in Mexico can substantiate these claims, please send some evidence.

 

 

 

 

 

5 thoughts on “Joel Rosenberg – War Games: Iran, Russia, China, Syria

  1. I am a professional archeologist. Many end times aficionados believe that Magog represents Russia and that Russia will soon come to invade Israel. However, the ancient Assyrians had dealings with Magog, which was also called Lydia, and their Court records clearly identify Magog and it is not Russia. For decades Christians have been deceived and have been unwittingly deceiving others about who is to be involved in the prophesied invasion of Israel. Russia has absolutely nothing to do with Magog and being the nation that will lead an invasion of Israel.
    The Assyrian Royal Court dealt with each of these nations directly about 100 years before Ezekiel wrote, and their records are reliable, clear and detailed. These are the same records that are referred to in Ezra 4:15 and the same records used to verify the historical events written about in scripture from circa 800 B.C. to 400 B.C. These records represent the primary source on this subject as opposed to secondary sources which are often not based on facts and very often the product of mischief, bias or lack of study.
    Any reference to Josephus is of no avail because historians and archeologists know from a multitude of written records, that the Greeks (such as Herodotus) did not call Magog the Scythians. All of our earliest copies of Josephus come from eleventh century Monks and the passage that is often referred to is clearly a forgery for several reasons obvious to historians and archeologists who study the ancient Near East. Please consider taking the time to read my report Debunking the Russia/War of Gog and Magog Myth on this important subject that recently appeared in the Christian Post Blogs on March 15, 2012.The link is http://blogs.christianpost.com/guest-views/debunking-the-russia-war-of-gog-and-magog-myth-8754/#more. This report can also be found on my blog site for 2/9/12: http://www.newscientificevidenceforgod.com/search?updated-max=2012-03-19T18:07:00-07:00

    • Hi Jeffrey,
      Thank you for your reply. I’m in transition where I’m living so I have a lot going on but I scanned what you wrote concerning the above. I wanted to ask you, because I didn’t feel that what you were saying was clear, do you feel the ancient Gog and Magog are the roots of a current people or not? What about China? I had read on a site (I would have to dig to find it) about someone researching and finding that they are the roots of tribes of modern day China. Like I said in the study I wrote, with China’s growing dominance of today’s world and their color and symbol being that of the Biblical dragon, it seemed to fit about Gog and Magog being their roots. Appreciate your input.

      Thank you and Elohim Bless,
      Gail

      • Gail, thank you for your thoughtful question.
        Around 700 BC historical records show that there was a leader called Gog (Gyges), who ruled the ancient nation of Lydia in western Asia Minor. Today we call Asia Minor Turkey. Basically the nations of ancient Asia Minor no longer exist as they came to be conquered and absorbed by invading nations. Foremost was the Assyrian Empire that lay to the south, the dominant power of the region.
        The Assyrians ruled over the countries of Asia Minor and received annual tribute from them. In Ezekiel 38/39 some of these nations are referred to. Going from west to east these nations include Lydia, Mesheck, Tubal, Gomer, and Togarmah. The records of the Assyrian Royal Court tell of the dealings all of these nations had with the Royal court over the years. The ancient nation of Lydia and their leader Gog are referred to a number of times. Sometimes Lydia was referred to as Magog. This is because the Assyrians often used eponyms for counties based on the name of the first leader they encountered from a country. They even published eponym lists. For example, the land of a king called Zamua came to be called “Mazamua; “and the land of Gog of Lydia came to be called “Magog.” So “Gog of Magog” simply means “Gog from the land of Magog” (matu= land, matugog= land of Gog). (When Gomer defeated Meshech who represented Lydia to the Assyrians, the Assyrians began to deal with Lydia and Gog for the first time.) Gog of Lydia and Gog of Magog is the same person from the same land.
        In Gyges of Lydia we have the leader the Assyrians called “Gugu, King of Ludu,” and “Gugu of Magugu” the Bible’s Gog of Magog. This can all be read in Ancient Records of Assyria and Babylonia, Vol. II – Historical Records of Assyria, University of Chicago Press, 1926, Greenwood Press Reprint, 1968, by Daniel David Luckenbill. For an archeologist it is astonishing to see that the things scripture says about these ancient nations of Asia Minor in Ezekiel 27:13-14 and Ezekiel 38/39 are directly supported by these Assyrian records. These records are the primary references for Gog and Magog, especially once one learns the political activities that were going on between these nations.
        So why was this setting of Ezekiel 38/39 used for a prophecy? These nations provide a real, a “historical type” which is used to communicate this prophecy. The terms Gog and Magog are not being used literally but being used as “historical types.” As referred to in Ezekiel 38/39, the historical Gog who was a “prince” of the nations of Magog, Meshech, and Tubal, serve as “historical type” of the “antichrist” and the multi-national confederacy over which the antichrist is to rule during the tribulation period. The Bible uses the historical leader Gog as a historical type of the antichrist to come in the exact same ways the Bible uses the historical King David as a type of the coming Messiah (Ezekiel 34:23 and Ezekiel 37:22-24).
        In Gog leading a confederacy of nations from the north to invade Israel types and is not unlike the antichrist using a confederacy of ancient nations from the north to invade Israel during the end times (see the book of Daniel). This is just a simplification and I urge you to read the referenced blogs I listed to get the full story and the genius behind scripture in this prophecy. In Gog of Magog and Lydia we also have a link to the founding of the Holy Roman Empire. The Etruscans who helped to found Rome are in fact the same people (thus genetically linked) to the people who left Lydia (Magog) during a famine and helped convert Rome from an undeveloped backwater to the powerful empire that it became. For many believers the antichrist and a revived Holy Roman Empire (remember the Crusades) will be the ones who come to invade Israel, a prophetic event typed by Ezekiel 38/39.

  2. Why are the last nazi war criminals, like Alois Bruner, hiding in Syria? Nesselrode sent Porphy Uspensky to de-Hellenize the Antiochians which led to Michel Aflaq founding the Nazi Ba’ath party which is why ras-Putin hid Saddam’s WMD in Syria! Ohlig & Puim show Islamic extremism came from Syriac miaphysates, products of Chrysustolm trying to consummate the Channukah crimes of his Seleucid forefathers. (“Questioning is the subversion of faith” Homily I on I Timothy I- Such was the dark mind that led Justinian to abolish the universities and Olympics and bring on the plagues.) Ochrafuxy is the mother of Islam and bolshevism because they reject Aristotle in favor of Plato. We need a Christian Samaritania buffer state surrounding Israel. Just as we neutralized Greece during the Crimean and Cold wars, we need to give the Balkans back to the aboriginal Albanian Pelasgians to prevent soviet access to the straits. Iran and North Korea both share borders with Russia and are ras-Putin’s ploy to raise oil prices which is why we must fearlessly pursue the therminucular rapture against the magog’s attempt to destabilize the Saudis.

    • Hi George,

      Have a question for you. Why does Israel need any kind of buffer or help when, per the Old Covenant [Testament], Elohim [Hebrew word for God] was perfectly capable of defeating Israel’s enemies when they were right with HIM and HE allowed Israel’s enemies to defeat them to humble them to find HIM again when they were not walking with their Elohim? Jerusalem will be surrounded by an army of many nations and half the people taken captive and the other half will remain and the houses will be pillaged and the women raped and then the Messiah will return – read Z’Kharyah [Zecharia] 14. People keep forgetting, Elohim is in charge of all. If HE allows something to happen or not there is a reason for it, usually that people haven’t walked right by HIM but sometimes they have. We all should keep this in mind that HE created all from the start and HE is still in control even though HE gave Satan all power to deceive people because they did not want the truth. There is a reason and a lesson for everything that happens and the clues are in HIS word. HIS word hasn’t changed from the beginning, people just want to believe that it has and that they are in control when HE is the one who actually is. If you have anything happening to you that is not good, please go to HIM in prayer and ask HIM what is not right between you and HIM and ask HIM for help with it and thank HIM for what HE did to show you the the truth.

      Elohim Bless,
      Gail

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