Who is GOD/ELOHIM And Is HE Three Or One? Part 1

ELOHIM is the Hebrew word for GOD and who I believe is FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT. There has been much controversy over whether GOD/ELOHIM is three separate individuals or one person who expresses HIMSELF three ways. Some believe the HOLY SPIRIT is a force and not an individual. I believe there are verses in Scripture which answer these questions.

At the end of each section numbered 1-10 is a summation of the main points in that section. May we all be blessed with only the Truth and what we need to be sure of it, AMEN!

#1. FATHER IN HEAVEN and the ANCIENT OF DAYS:

Our FATHER IN HEAVEN is in the New Covenant/Testament, and is first mentioned in Matthew 5:45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

YESHUA’YAH/JESUS says that prayers are to be directed to the FATHER: Luke 11:2 – And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth [Matthew 6:9 also]

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

In Revelation 4:10 – The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, [11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. [In Luke 10:21 JESUS/YESHUA’YAH referred to HIS FATHER as LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. In Revelation 4:11 above the one on the throne is referred to as LORD.]

Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 

In the Old Testament/Covenant, is the ANCIENT OF DAYS from Daniel 7:

Daniel 7: 9 – I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient H6268 of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

[10] A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. [Compare this to Revelation 5:11 above and see the similarity to the number of worshipers in front of the one they are worshiping.]

Point 1: All of the verses above show Deity, someone whom prayers are going to and on a throne with many serving HIM and many others in attendance. I believe that the ANCIENT OF DAYS and our FATHER IN HEAVEN are the same individual. I believe “ANCIENT OF DAYS” refers to HIS knowing all that is going to happen, HIS Omniscience, thus controlling time and times.  [Matthew 24:36, Mark 13:32, and Acts 1:7 tie THE FATHER IN  HEAVEN to omniscience and authority with such.]

 

#2 ANCIENT OF DAYS/FATHER IN HEAVEN and a VISITOR:

Daniel 7:13 – I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

It says above that the SON OF MAN came to the ANCIENT OF DAYS. This verse from Daniel 7 also matches the verses below in Revelation 4 and 5, showing the same action, of one on a throne and another coming to the one on the throne.

Revelation 4:2 – And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Revelation 5:1 – And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. [6] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain… [7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

John 14:12 – Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. This is also stated in John 7:33 and John 16:16. Other Scriptures have JESUS/YESHUA’YAH commenting on HIMSELF and HIS FATHER [John 14:21-23, and others] including where JESUS/YESHUA’YAH was praying to the FATHER [Matthew 26:39, and others], so again, these all show two individuals.

Point 2 – The ANCIENT OF DAYS/FATHER IN HEAVEN and THE SON OF MAN/LAMB/JESUS-YESHUA’YAH are different individuals.

 

#3 Who is the SON OF MAN:

Daniel 7:13 – I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. [14] And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

The two verses below of Daniel 7:13 I believe are better translated compared to the same verse 13 above and others which say “one like the Son of man” which can be unclear as it can be taken as “someone who is like another” instead of “the person themself”.

Peshitta Holy Bible Translated
I was seeing on the clouds of Heaven as The Son of the People came and reached the Ancient of Days, and they brought him close before him. [This is specific about who came to the ANCIENT OF DAYS. Using the words “the people” instead of “man [mankind]” is appropriate and means the same. Isaiah 9:6 prophecy ties into this also as “unto us [us meaning mankind or people] a son is born”.

Brenton Septuagint Translation
I beheld in the night vision, and, lo, one coming with the clouds of heaven as the Son of man, and he came on to the Ancient of days, and was brought near to him. [While this shows a person doing something that is like what someone else is known for, it can infer that it is that person too from the action being observed. This is also like II Samuel 18:24-27 where how a runner in the distance reminded the watchman of a particular person and it was that person.

Compare the verses below where JESUS/YESHUA’YAH is talking about HIMSELF in reference to THE SON OF MAN, to Daniel 7:13-14 above:

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory… [Matthew 24:30, 26:64; Mark 14:62; Luke 21:27; Revelation 14:14] In these verses, the SON OF MAN coming on the clouds of heaven tie into Daniel 7:13 in regards to that.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: [32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:  [Matthew 13:41, 16:27, 19:28; Luke 9:26, 21:27, 22:69; Acts 7:56; Revelation 14:14]  These tie into Daniel 7:14 concerning the SON OF MAN’S everlasting dominion, glory, Kingdom and that all peoples, nations, languages would serve HIM.
Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

Point  3 – YESHUA’YAH/JESUS is the SON OF MAN/THE PEOPLE mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments/Covenants and prophecy.

NOTE: https://www.cjcuc.org/2015/12/03/orthodox-rabbinic-statement-on-christianity/   The above link goes to a statement signed by Orthodox rabbis saying they believe that YESHUA is doing the FATHER’S work of bringing the Gentiles into the fold.

 

#4 The physical description of the HOLY SPIRIT/RUACH HA’KODESH – Hebrew meaning: THE SET-APART BREATH [holy/kodesh – to be set apart from what is not set-apart and spirit/ruach – wind or breath]:

KJV Ezekiel 1:25 And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

[26] And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. [a throne is mentioned and a man on it]

[27] And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

[28] As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud [rainbow] in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

[I believe the word “it” being used in “when I saw it” is a poor word choice because in the next verse it says “he said” not “it said”. Looking at the verse, with the ancient words next to the English ones, in the concordance link below, “it” is added where there is no ancient word.]

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/1/1/t_conc_803028

[2:1] And he said unto me, Son of man [male human – capitol is for the beginning of what was being said], stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee.

[2] And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.

[While “it” is in the majority of translations I looked at, I found a few translations that differed including the Peshitta Holy Bible below. Read their verse 28.]

Peshitta Holy Bible – Ezekiel 1:25 And there was a sound over the tabernacle above their heads, and when they were standing, their wings were still

[26] And above the tabernacle, above their heads, there was as it were the appearance of stone of sapphire and as the likeness of a throne, and upon the form of the throne was as it were the likeness and the appearance of a son of man [meaning a male form] upon it from above

[27] And I saw like the appearance of God and like the appearance of fire from within a circle to him. From the appearance of his waist and above and from his waist and below, I saw as the appearance of fire and it shone around him

[28] Like the appearance of a rainbow that is in a cloud in a day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness that was around him, and thus was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of LORD JEHOVAH, and I saw him, and I fell on my face, and I heard his voice that was speaking

[2:1] And he said to me: “Son of man, stand on your feet. I shall speak with you

[2] And The Spirit entered into me when he was speaking with me, and he stood me on my feet, and I heard him who spoke with me

In the verses above, I believe that Ezekiel saw and spoke with THE HOLY SPIRIT. The beginning of Ezekiel 8 also repeats part of the above description. I believe the physical description of THE HOLY SPIRIT is mainly in Ezekiel 1: 26-28. HE has the appearance/likeness of a man but from the waist up HE is described as looking like molten or glowing amber light/metal/copper/electrum [from different translations] with the appearance of fire and from HIS waist down as being the appearance of fire. HE is surrounded by brightness which looks like the bow in the cloud [rainbow]. HE is described as a HE [ancient word: adam – as a male from Ezekiel 1:26], not a she, not an it, and not a consciousness without a body. HE has a body that looks like fire and light.

Point 4 – The HOLY SPIRIT is a male with a body that looks like glowing or molten amber light or metal with the appearance of fire from the waist up and fire from the waist down surrounded by brightness that looks like rainbows in clouds. HE rides on a sapphire throne.

 

#5. Significance of the rainbow and dove and the HOLY SPIRIT.:

Rainbow: Genesis 9:12-16 And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between Me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: [13] I have set My rainbow in the clouds, and it will be a sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. [14] Whenever I form clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, [15] I will remember My covenant between Me and you and every living creature of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. [16] And whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of every kind that is on the earth.”

Remember Ezekiel 1:28: Like the appearance of a rainbow that is in a cloud in a day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness that was around him [THE HOLY SPIRIT].

Dove: Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:  Have you ever seen a dove descend? The HOLY SPIRIT is not and does not look like a dove. I believe when HE descends that the action is similar to the same action of a dove.

Point 5This is beautiful! GOD used the rainbow in the cloud as a sign of the everlasting covenant HE made with Noah and all living creatures. The rainbow/bow in the cloud is a part of the brightness around THE HOLY SPIRIT’S fire from HIS Waist down. So GOD used a part of THE HOLY SPIRIT as a sign for the covenant with NOAH! Maybe THE HOLY SPIRIT helps with forming rainbows for remembrance of this covenant.

This also unfortunately shows how the spirit of wickedness mocks THE HOLY SPIRIT by using the rainbow as a symbol for gay people which is an abomination to GOD per Scripture. These people need prayer and if they want the Truth, may they be blessed with it, AMEN!!!

The HOLY SPIRIT is not a dove but may have some similar movement to that of a dove when HIS flames descend upon someone.

 

#6. Thrones:

Ezekiel 1:4-26 is the description of the beings/wheels that move the Throne of THE HOLY SPIRIT which is described as being the appearance of a sapphire stone above a crystal expanse with the beings/wheels under the expanse.

The ANCIENT OF DAYS/FATHER’S Throne is described in Daniel 7: 9 as like a fiery flame with wheels like burning fire. The wheels of the HOLY SPIRIT’S Throne are described as tall and covered with eyes controlled by the spirit of the four living creatures, kerubims/cherubims per Ezekiel 10:1, next to each wheel – Ezekiel 1:5-26.

YESHUA’YAH/JESUS’S Throne is mentioned in Luke 1:32 – [the angel/messenger is speaking to Mary of her SON] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:. See also Matthew 19:28 and 25:31 and Acts 2:30.

There is also a Great White Throne which looks to be the Throne of GOD THE FATHER and the LAMB sits there, too. Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Point 6 – There are four different Thrones in Scripture which are not for human kings. There are differing physical descriptions of each Throne except no description of the Throne of David given to YESHUA’YAH/JESUS [maybe it will be David’s real throne]. THE HOLY SPIRIT’S Throne is sapphire with four wheels controlled by four living creatures next to them. The Throne which is fiery with fiery wheels is the ANCIENT OF DAYS [aka FATHER IN HEAVEN]. The Great White Throne is also the FATHER’S with HIS SON the LAMB sitting on HIS Right HAND. No wheels are mentioned with this Throne. Perhaps the one with fiery wheels is a traveling Throne like the sapphire one the HOLY SPIRIT is on since it has wheels and moves per Scripture.

 

#7. WORD OF GOD-ELOHIM and WORD OF YHWH/THE LORD:

There is a physical description in Daniel 10 of a MAN that Daniel fell down on his face in front of whom Daniel referred to as the man in linen girded with gold from Uphaz. Daniel’s description of the man matches very close to the physical description John gave in Revelation 1 of the SON OF MAN, JESUS/YESHUA’YAH. I believe this is how HE, THE WORD, has always looked and also since HE arose from the dead, no longer in the body of flesh.

John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Bible reads: and the Word was a god.]

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

I believe the MAN Daniel spoke to was THE WORD of ELOHIM/GOD aka THE WORD of YHWH/THE LORD who would visit the prophets and others:

I Chronicles 17:3 – ‘And it came to pass the same night, that the word of God came to Nathan, saying,’.

Genesis 15:1 – ‘After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.‘  II Samuel 22:31 says – As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried [H6884]: he is a buckler/shield to all them that trust in him [also Psalm 18:30]. Psalm 105:19 Until the time that his word came: the word of the LORD tried [H6884] him [Joseph], and Joseph was released [from prison] by the King.      Proverbs 30:5 Every word  of God is pure [H6884]: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

H6884 – sarap: try, test – prove true, refine, refiner, pure – made. Based on the wording in Psalm 105:19 and the meaning of H6884, am thinking that 2 Samuel 22:31 and Psalm 18:30 should instead be translated to say, “As for God, His Way is perfect; The Word of The Lord tries/tests/refines/purifies: He is a buckler/shield to all them that trust in Him.”. YESHUA’YAH’S/JESUS’S NAMES include: THE WAY, John 1:9 and 14:6. Instead for Proverbs 30:5, “The Word of God refines/makes pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him.”. In Genesis 15:1 per II Samuel 22:31, Abram did trust in THE WORD OF YAH/THE LORD since it says HE was Abram’s shield.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

I believe the verses in Scripture that say THE WORD visited someone, should have the “w” capitalized like in Revelation 19:13 above because this is a NAME of HIS. The word of GOD-ELOHIM or the word of YHWH-THE LORD can also refer to actual Scriptural words instead of the MAN HIMSELF. You have to read each verse to discern which applies.

Point 7 – THE WORD OF GOD/ELOHIM aka THE WORD of YHWH/THE LORD are NAMES of a male person who became YESHUA’YAH/JESUS and lived in a body of flesh until HE died and arose in a different body, not the body of flesh. Matthew 17:2 and Luke 9:29 show HIS earthly Form transfiguring. I believe HE is back in HIS original body as THE WORD based on the description John gave in Revelation 1 compared to Daniel 10. Remember that when HE arose from the grave, no one who knew HIM recognized HIM but when John and Mary heard HIS Voice they each recognized HIM. There is also a dual meaning to “word of GOD-ELOHIM or word of YHWH/THE LORD” and can also refer to the written or spoken words of GOD/ELOHIM or YHWH/THE LORD in Scripture instead of the male person NAMED, THE WORD OF GOD/ELOHIM or THE WORD OF YHWH/THE LORD.

 

#8. Physical descriptions of the FATHER IN HEAVEN/ANCIENT OF DAYS and HIS SON/THE WORD OF GOD/ELOHIM or THE WORD OF YHWH/THE LORD:

Concerning the SON. Compare Revelation 1 below to Daniel 10. In Revelation 1,  Yochanan/John the beloved disciple is talking and in Daniel 10 it is Daniel. Additional verses from the New Covenant/Testament are included below.:

Revelation 1:10 “…I heard behind me a great [loud] voice as of a trumpet,

[12] … I turned to see the voice that spoke to me. … [turned around to see who was speaking with me]

[13] … one resembling [looking like] the Son of man [see Dani’el 7:13-14], wearing a long vestment/garment down to his feet and girded round his breast with a golden girdle [band].

[14] His head and his hair were white as wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were like a flame of fire;   [the description for the hair is like the ANCIENT OF DAYS]

[15] and his feet were like the fine brass/bronze [the brilliancy] of Lebanon, as though they were burned in a furnace [like glowing fire]; and his voice was as the sound of many waters [loud]. Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass/bronze; G5474

[16] And he had in his right hand 7 stars; and out of his mouth came a sharp two edged sword; and his countenance [face] was like the sun shining in its strength [in full strength].

[17] And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead [stunned, not moving], And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

[18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

[2:18] …These things say the Son of God who has eyes like a flame of fire, and whose feet are like fine brass from Lebanon [like burnished brass/bronze – the brilliancy]:”.[19:12] His eyes were like a fiery flame…[13] and the name by which he is called is “The Word of God”. [shows HIS Eyes match the descriptions in Revelation 1 and Daniel 10 and links that to HIS NAMES as THE SON OF GOD and THE WORD OF GOD]

Mattityahu [Matthew] 17:2 – “As they watched, he [JESUS/YESHUA’YAH] began to change form – his face shone like the sun, and his clothing became white like light.“.  Luke 9:29 – “As he [JESUS/YESHUA’YAH] was praying, the appearance of his face changed; and his clothing became gleaming white.”. [transforming into HIS GODLY Self. Face and clothing description matches Revelation 1 and Daniel 10.]

Now look at Dani’el 10:5-9 for comparison. This is Dani’el talking.:

[5] “when I looked up, and there before me was a man dressed in linen wearing a belt made of fine Uphaz gold. [translations say waist/loins for where the belt is]

[6] His body was like beryl [chrysolite], his face looked like lightning [bright light] and his eyes like fiery torches [flames]; his arms and feet were the color of burnished bronze/brass; and when he spoke, it sounded like the roar of a crowd [loud].

[7] Only I, Dani’el, saw the vision; the men who were with me did not see the vision [Strong’s H4759  from roots H4758 and  H7200 – mode of revelation, appearance, cause to see – a vision can be a personal appearance] however, a great trembling fell over them; so that they rushed to hide themselves.

[8] Thus I was left alone; and when I saw this great vision, there was no strength left in me – my face normally pleasant-looking, became disfigured; and I had no strength.

[9] I heard his voice speaking; and when I heard him speaking, I fell down in a faint [passed out, not moving] with my face to the ground.

Find pieces of Scripture that match then compare them. This can help in seeing a bigger picture, especially if one piece has more information than the others. By comparing the Scriptures above, from both the Old and New Covenants/Testaments, we find common and uncommon points.

The common points are:

a. Feet like burnished brass/bronze or refined/burned in a furnace,

b. a loud Voice like a trumpet or roar of a crowd,

c. Eyes like fiery flames/torches,

d. gold girdle/belt,

e. Face like lightning/shone like the sun,

f. and falling in front of HIM like a dead man/fainted/passed out with my face to the ground.

The verses above are clear about what happened when Dani’el and Yochanan/John were in front of HIM, Daniel 10:9 and Revelation 1:17. Reasons this did not happen when HE was on earth in a body of flesh might include HIM not wanting it to be common knowledge for people to know who HE was. See Scriptures where the demons HE cast out of people started proclaiming HIM as THE SON OF ELOHIM/GOD and HE told them to be silent as in Luke 4:35. Perhaps being in the flesh body HE was in did not allow the same reaction from others as HIS Divine Body but there is an exception. John/Yochanan 18:6 shows when JESUS/YESHUA’YAH said, “I am he”, the people who had come to take HIM drew back and fell to the ground after HE spoke!

The uncommon points are:

a. wearing a long robe/vestment, belt/girdle in different places,

b. dressed in linen,

c. body like beryl/chrysolite,

d. Arms the color of burnished bronze/brass,

e. Head and Hair white as wool/snow.

f. hearing HIS Voice vs seeing HIM and falling down

Also please remember that when examining Scripture from different people speaking concerning the same person/event, what is important to each person commenting can differ so commentary could be similar with some differences.

a/b. It can be assumed that HE is wearing a long garment because of what was worn during those times, especially royalty, or from others having Heavenly visitors. Luke 20:46 mentions scribes desiring to walk in long robes, which signifies a higher office.In Revelation 7:13, the word “robe” in Greek is G4749 “stole” and includes the meaning of: a loose outer garment for men extending to the feet, worn by kings, priests, and persons of rank.

The belt being around the loins in Daniel and around the breast/chest in Revelation may have something to do with the change in HIS position after arising from the dead and being given all POWER in Heaven and Earth. In Revelation 15:6 it says, “And the seven angels/messengers came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.”  While this might sound like the person visiting John could have been one of the seven angels, it can’t be because after John’s description of the MAN in Revelation 1, it says in Revelation 1:17, “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: [18] I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”. This can’t be anyone other than JESUS/YESHUA’YAH, AMEN!

We know from verses all over Scripture that reference the apparel of many including: angels/messengers and heaven’s armies, Israelites, priests, and HIS bride as being made of linen – fine or shining. For a few examples of linen apparel see: Exodus 28, Leviticus 13, I Chronicles 15:27, II Chronicles 5:12, Esther 8:15, Ezekiel 9:2/3/11, Ezekiel 16:13, Luke 16:19, Revelation 19:8/14.

c. I believe HIS Body being like beryl/chrysolite refers to the body of HIS Robe. When you wear a long robe, no other part of your body would be showing other then your hands, feet, face, maybe the neck. Beryl can be colorless, white, yellow, red, green/blue, pink. This can describe white linen. I found the following information to be of interest and possibly backing up the white color of the robe. The Hebrew name of beryl/chrysolite is also tarshish.

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Tarshish.html#.VR1r6OEtdOZ

The Biblical name of a certain precious stone (perhaps yellow Jasper, says BDB Theological Dictionary, but translated chrysolite by NIV and beryl by NAS) is also tarshish (Exodus 28:20).We note that the shish-part of the name Tarshish looks a lot like the word  (shayish), alabaster a mostly translucent or white crystal. And the tar-part looks a lot like  (tor), dove. It comes from the verb  (tur), seek, spy out. Derivative  (tor) denotes a certain ornament, probably a plait or circlet (Song 1:10). To a Hebrew audience, the name Tarshish may have sounded like White Dove or Dove-White.

If dove white applies to HIS Robe, it would have to be a whiter white than what we call dove white today, per these verses. Matthew 17:2 says that JESUS/YESHUA’YAH “was transfigured before them; his face shining as the sun, and his garments became white as the light.”. See also: Luke 9:29, Matthew 28:3, Mark 9:3.

d. The color of HIS Feet and Arms should match each other. They would be a type of red-orange-brown because of the verses saying that HIS Arms/Feet were the color of brass/bronze burnished/burned in a furnace. In regards to the color of HIS Arms/Feet, I thought this information to be of interest:

In regards to the “burned/refined in a furnace part”, take a look at the picture of molten bronze below.

Molten bronze in a crucible awaits casting

Molten bronze is reddish/orange in color and looks a lot like the color of carnelian/sard – see:

What are the Differences between Carnelian, Sard, & Sardonyx? - YouTubeImage result for what does carnelian look like

 e. Head and Hair white as snow/wool is the same description given in Daniel 7 for the ANCIENT OF DAYS. I believe a better translation would be, the Hair on HIS Head, instead of saying “the head and hair”.
f. We know both Daniel and John fell on their faces when in front of THE WORD/THE MAN in linen/SON OF GOD/JESUS-YESHUA’YAH, Daniel when hearing HIM and John when seeing HIM. The difference in the two senses could be simply explained by a translation error. In Revelation 1:17, the word used for “seeing” is Strong’s G1492 – eidō. This word is about seeing, knowing, perceiving, etc. and includes in the definition: “to perceive with the eyes” and “to perceive by any of the senses”. It is possible that the sense it should have referenced was “hearing”. The only other Scripture I have found so far that mentions a human falling [having no choice but to do this] on their face when in front of a heavenly person is Ezekiel 1:28 when Ezekiel falls on his face in front of the HOLY SPIRIT. See #4 above. There is also the Scripture in John/Yochanan 18:6 that shows when JESUS/YESHUA’YAH was in HIS flesh Body and said, “I am he”, that the people who had come to take HIM drew back and fell to the ground after HE spoke! Also in regards to seeing vs hearing when falling on their faces, when Ezekiel fell down the ancient word is plainly about “seeing” not “hearing”. Daniel did say that when seeing the MAN, that Daniel lost all strength. Perhaps either action of seeing/hearing can provoke this response from humans who stand in front of DEITY.

 

Concerning the FATHER. Remember, “…the Ancient  of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure [clean] wool [parent root H6785 refers to white and wool]”, from Daniel 7:9. From Revelation 4:3, “And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone.”.

As in “e” above, the Head and Hair of the SON/WORD is described the same as the ANCIENT OF DAYS/FATHER.

As in “d” above, the coloring of both the FATHER/SON appear to be the same. The beryl/chrysolite and brass/bronze burnished in a furnace of the SON/WORD look to match what the different translations say about the colors of the FATHER/ANCIENT OF DAYS which are jasper and carnelian/sard[ine]/sardius/sardonyx or diamonds and rubies. All of these stones can have a white/clear or reddish color, the reddish color also for the molten metal .

While jasper is known as mainly a red colored stone, there are other colors and even clear: “There are clear Jasper gemstones, ones with almost no inclusions, which are sought after by certain jewelers, especially when they are white in color. In these cases, the stone can look almost clear, but most of the time but these are rare and not the typical look of Jasper.” https://www.jewelryshoppingguide.com/a-quick-guide-on-jasper-gemstone/

This fits the Biblical description of jasper in these verses:

Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper G2393 stone, clear as crystal; Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper:G2393 and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

“There is one sort which is called ‘Aerizusa’, like to air, and another ‘Crystallizusa’, clear as crystal. So Pliny speaks of a white ‘jasper’ called ‘Astrios’, and which, he says, is crystallo propinquans, ‘near to crystal’, found in India, and on the shores of Pallene.” (John Gill—Comments on Rev 21:11) https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2393/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://sedagems.com/blog/gemstone-information/sard-sardonyx-carnelian/
  • Sard, sardonyx and carnelian are varieties of microcrystalline quartz
  • Carnelian and Sard are both chalcedony quartz that gain color from iron oxide impurities
  • Dark-Colored, brown carnelian stones are actually sard
  • Sardonyx is an onyx stone layered with sard bands

Point 8 – The coloring of the FATHER/ANCIENT OF DAYS and HIS SON/THE WORD in Scripture is mainly red-orange-brown and white-crystal. I believe the white-crystal to be the color of the Robes and the red-orange-brown to be the Feet and Hands and physical Bodies. THEY also have white hair.

 

#9. How much do THE FATHER and THE SON/WORD look alike?

From Hebrews 1:3 we have the information about THE SON being “the express image of his [THE FATHER’S] person“. See verse 5 for more referencing that this is THE FATHER talking about THE SON.

Strong’s G5481 – charaktēr:

the exact expression (the image) of any person or thing, marked likeness, precise reproduction in every respect, i.e facsimile

Based on this, THE FATHER and THE SON should look exactly alike. The verses below from Genesis back this up, if THE SON were also GOD/ELOHIM:

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Does John 14:7-9 also support the above or does it reference something else? In Yochanan [John] 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?. This is repeated in John 14:7, “If you had known Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.”.

In both verses if the words “seen” are literal in regards to viewing with the eyes, I believe these verses can back up Point #8 above and this Point #9 in reference to how much THE FATHER and THE SON/WORD look alike. But JESUS/YESHUA’YAH was in the flesh not HIS BODY as THE WORD when HE spoke the words in John 14 so HE would not be looking like THE FATHER at that point.

The Greek word behind the English word “seen” in John 14:7,9 is G3708 horaō; to gaze [i.e. with wide-open eyes, as at something remarkable], but besides literally seeing someone it’s meaning can also include:

  • to see with the mind, to perceive, know

  • to see, i.e. become acquainted with by experience, to experience
  • to see, to look to
    1. to take heed, beware

    2. to care for, pay heed to

The Greek word behind the English word “known” in both verses is Strong’s G1097 – ginōskō which includes:

  • to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel

    1. to become known

  • to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of

    1. to understand

    2. to know

When Phillip said to “shew” [Strong’s G1166 – deiknyō] the Father, the meaning of that word includes:

  1. to show, expose to the eyes

  2. metaph.

    1. to give evidence or proof of a thing

    2. to show by words or teach

So by Philip saying what he did, it could have been taken as questioning what JESUS/YESHUA’YAH had been sharing as not being enough to understand or prove. When JESUS/YESHUA’YAH said that “From now on you do know Him and have seen Him.“, I believe HE was backing up that HE was giving them the knowledge to know THE FATHER and that they did understand what HE had been sharing with them.

Point 9 – I believe the ANCIENT OF DAYS/FATHER IN HEAVEN and HIS SON/THE WORD OF YAH-THE LORD/THE WORD OF ELOHIM-GOD are men who look almost identical [white Hair and Robes and Skin red-orange-brown] but the SON now has pierced HANDS, FEET, and SIDE [John 20:25-27 and Luke 24:39-40] because of dying for us as the SUFFERING SERVANT in Yesha’yahu [Isaiah] 42:1 and 52:13 through end of chapter 53. See also Matthew 12:18 referencing “MY SERVANT”.

 

 

#10. GOD as male:

We know from B’resheet [Genesis] 1:26-27 that ELOHIM/GOD said, Let us make man [Adam – meaning male] in our image, after our likeness…So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”. GOD made the male first, in HIS image, then the female. It does not say the female was made in HIS image, it says HE created her.

Now read the information below on the word “Adam” and compare it to the information above in Point #9 about the skin color.

Etymology – from “Adam” on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam

“Adam” (Hebrew: אָדָֿם) comes from the triliteral root אָדַֿם ( ‘ADM ), meaning “red”, “fair”, “handsome”.[2] In the Book of Genesis, Adam occurs as a proper name in chapters 2-5. As a masculine noun, ‘adam [3] means “man”, “mankind” usually in a collective context as in humankind,[2] and may also refer to the individual human.[4] The noun ‘adam is also the masculine form of the word adamah which means “ground” or “earth”. It is related to the words: adom (red), admoni (ruddy), and dam (blood).[5]

Adam  By: Jeff A. Benner

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/names/Adam.htm

We are all familiar with the name “Adam” as found in the book of Genesis, but what does it really mean? Let us begin by looking at its roots. This word/name is a child root derived from the parent דם meaning, “blood”. By placing the letter א in front of the parent root, the child rootאדם  is formed and is related in meaning to דם (blood).
By examining a few other words derived from the child root אדם we can see a common meaning in them all. The Hebrew word אדמה (adamah) is the feminine form of אדם meaning “ground” (see Genesis 2:7). The word/name אדום (Edom) means “red”. Each of these words have the common meaning of “red”. Dam is the “red” blood, adamah is the “red” ground, edom is the color “red” and adam is the “red” man. There is one other connection between “adam” and “adamah” as seen in Genesis 2:7 which states that “the adam” was formed out of the “adamah”.
In the ancient Hebrew world, a person’s name was not simply an identifier but descriptive of one’s character. As Adam was formed out of the ground, his name identifies his origins. Copyright © 2004 Jeff A. Benner Ancient Hebrew Research Center

See also these links for more on the word “adam”:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h120/kjv/wlc/0-1/

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H119&t=KJV

Point 10 – Again, I believe that THE FATHER/ANCIENT OF DAYS and HIS SON/THE WORD OF GOD-ELOHIM/THE WORD OF YAH-THE LORD look like each other in physical appearance but are two different males. THEY BOTH have white Hair, white Robes, and THEIR Bodies are reddish/orange/brown. THE SET-APART BREATH/HOLY SPIRIT, is also male and has the colors of fire in HIS Fiery Flames. Isaiah 33:14 “Who of us can dwell with a consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting flames?” So GOD/ELOHIM created the first man in HIS image – red/ruddy and male, then created woman.

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